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Hangar Talk Forum Members Comments, Postings, & Notices While this section our Hangar Talk Forums sre primarily intended for owners and enthusiasts of earlier vintage 180 HP carbureted "pre-201" type Mooneys such as M20B,C,D,& G's, it may contain select postings applicable to other similar vintage models as well.
Because many member/owner comments or contributions are of interest and valuable to most all Mooney owners, the moderators may place select contributions received from members in sections # 9 (All Mooneys and Msc. Comments) for posting in this section as well.
However, generally speaking, for forum sections # 6 (Mooney Marketplace news) ,# 7 (Squawk/Kudo Talk Box), and 8 (Nifty Fly-A-Ways etc.) you should see those individual Hangar Talk Forum sections as well, as they generally apply to most all Mooney owners/enthusiasts.

Hangar Talk 180 Hp "Pre-201" Members Postings, Comments, Queries, & Notices

Hangar Talk Member Notice/Posting:
Do you offer alternator conversion kits for a 1965 M 20-C? I have a Lyc 0-360.Please advise price. If you do not offer it, would you be able to recommend a source? Thanks
Peter R. Davis 5856Q Wilmington, NC
Forum Moderators: Yes, several alternator kits are available and generally run from $1,200 to just under $1,800 or so, installed. Alcor use to produced such a kit but now one which is gaining popularity is produced in Florida which is in the process of getting approved via STC's. CAll FOR DETAILS

Hangar Talk Member Notice/Posting:
Subject: manual to electric gear
From: catkins@musiccity.net (Clay Atkins)
Is it possible to convert a manual gear to electric on a 65 M20E?
clay atkins
Forum Moderators: Manual gear Mooney can be converted, but Mooney hasn't sold a true complete "conversion kit" in years. The last one they sold was with an old style Dukes motor/transmission etc. and our guess is that they would have to generate the "paperwork" as well as the parts. Cost could approach $7-9K or more using all new parts. The most economical way is to find boneyard parts and carefully gut an electric fuselage along with all the wires, switches, C/brakers, etc. and then have same installed by someone who knows exactly what he is doing and (repeat AND) done similar before. Collapsing gear is expensive and common in such mods.
There at several other options/details such as a "manual power assist" etc. Also, manual gear Mooney are far simpler to install inner gear door mods on than electric. CAll ME DIRECTLY FOR MORE DETAILS----COY

Hangar Talk Member Notice/Posting:
Subject: prop grease
From: arthur m. elliott
I would like to know the correct grease for the hartzell prop. Is it Aeroshell 5, 6, or 7? Thanks, Art M20F
Forum Moderators: There is little (or nearly no) heat generated in the prop hub, and water intrusion and/or corrosion is by far the biggest problem. For a while the thinner Aeroshell 6 was used, but now they recommend the thicker Aeroshell 5 is recommended especially for hotter climates. We recommend a superior anti-corrosion grease such as 5, but ("un- officially", of course) have heard of high quality (super sticky) OMC, Lubrimatic, or Mercruser etc., Marine Formula Anti-Corrosion grease for marine outdrive or wheel bearings being used for Mooneys which sit outside.

Hangar Talk Member Notice/Posting:
Subject: Fuel tank repairs
From: Mark Miller
In the past, I have always been able to purchase the materials I need to patch a leak I have in my right fuel tank on my 1965 M20C. This is starting to turn into an annual event an I'm considering completely stripping away the old material and refurbishing the tank. Is there a kit available with all the materials necessary to reseal mooney tanks? Just wondering.
Thanks in advance for your response.
Mark Miller
Forum Moderators: The "kit" you mentioned is actually made up of several components which we (and several other Mooney Service Centers) usually stock. Make sure the components are "fresh" and being kept in cold storage from your source prior to your receiving them, however.
Since each Mooney tank problem can be different, we need some one on one conversation to see how much of which component you need. Usually, it is best to get enough the first time. If done properly, fuel tank "repairs" make $ense and are well worth the effort.
Again, we strongly recommend you enlist the help of an experienced fueltankologiest either on the phone or in person prior to tackling such a chore. If not, doing so can be like sentenced to purgatory with rubber gloves and nasty smelling stuff all over you while recuperating from a sprained neck.

Hangar Talk Member Notice/Posting:
I am extremely interested in your one piece belly skin mod for my Mooney. Please fax me the basic information on your kit, ie., price, delivery and installation man-hours etc. I am also interested in receiving your Mooney Buyers Kit.
John Samaska
Calgary, Alberta Canada
Forum Moderators: The One Piece F/Glass Belly mod you speak of is a great mod offering increased cruise and rate of climb, besides a much easier annual. It also provides for greater belly innards access to inspect and lub the various gear and flight control components. I advise you to read more about it in our "Modifications" section. The usual cost installed is under $5,000 and it adds substantially to re-sale value.
Our STC'd kit is all Mooney Factory components and is not to be confused with "look a-like" but flimsy PMA belly pans or those with protruding runners or strakes. We believe in keeping your Mooney "All Mooney" as much as you can to protect your re-sale value and serviceability later on.

Hangar Talk Member Notice/Posting:
From: RIDPATHAIR@aol.com To: Hangar Talk Forum
Date: Friday, September 18, 1998 2:05 PM
Subject: Economical Instument Panel Mods
I thought I would find info on your ½ Panel Mod upgrade on your website.  If it's there,tell me how to get it on screen.  Otherwise email info & pics of the "half-panel" Coy told me about on the phone the other day.  What I'm interested in is an STC'd kit for a '68-C to have my avionics shop install, plus cost, etc.............Thanks
Forum Moderators: The ½ Panel Mod you speak of is probably the shock mounted aluminum panel that several Mod Shops market for the flight group panel in front of the pilot. Lake Aero is one who sells a 9 hole panel which (with some modification) will usually bolt in most pre-201 panels. It is an improvment over the old "shotgun" design panel, but is not easy to install and make look good at the same time. It usually envolves installing post or outline instrument panel lighting and changaing the right side to an exposed (or Royalite-less) style panel to match. Do not confuse this with the OEM Factory Instrument Panel Mod which we market for some $8k+/-
Installed prices usually run from $1,500 to $2,000+/-, and we have now included it on our Mod Menu.

Hangar Talk Member Notice/Posting:  Name -  = Douglas Snider, N9395V
Address -  = 3268 Keefer Rd
City -  = Chico
State -  = CA
Zip Code -  = 95973
E-Mail -  = DrDoug@juno.com  Ser.#  = 700004,  Total Time -  = 1060  Special Comments:  I've previously owned Cessna 150, a Piper Arrow 180 and a K35 Bonanza.  Being new to Mooneydom, will my M20G be as fast as my Arrow 180?  What can I expect as a speed to flight plan for; 140kts or 150kts?  Where should I be most concerned re; AD's,  the fact that it has had a gear up repaired, that it hasn't been flown regularly, 
Forum Moderators: Most of the time, if repaired properly (such as w/a F/Glass belly mod etc.) a simple "Gear UP" does't really hurt a M20.  A "long body" M20G is perhaps the slowest of all Mooneys and is noticably slower than a (more common) M20C/Ranger.   Pehaps it is because of the way the trim system is set up, but for what ever reason, a M20G behaves similar to a 200 hp Arrow in performance.  We strongly reccomend serious speed mods for all M20G owners seeking performance. 

Hangar Talk Member Notice/Posting: Name:  Howard A. Richmond II,  Address:  17515 Spyglass Circle, Dallas, Texas,  75287
Day Phone -  = 972-248-1599,  Day FAX -  = 972-248-1503
E-Mail -  = hrichmond@compuserve.com
N-Number -  = N6330Q,   Mooney Model -  = M20C
Comments = Is there a way to get a back up electrical source or second alternator to improve the safety margin in heavy IFR flight?
Forum Moderators: Yes, funny you should ask.  Knowing this "single source" electrical power situation is of grave importantce to all IFR (and most VFR) pilots, we are currently STC'ing an amazing compact but reliable light weight RAT (Ram Air Turbine) generator/alternator for ALL MOONEYS as this is being written.   Upon the pilot pulling a lever in the cockit, a minature 8" turbine will swing out of the battery access door of a Mooney and automaticaly provide about 10-15 AMP's of standby or emergency power at any airspeed above 100 kts.  Amazingly, it can provide enough power to run most M20's and lower the gear if some effort is taken to reduce excessive electrical loads.  We predict it will be most popular with nearly every Mooney owner who doesn't already have two alternators and/or generators on board.   Keep watch on our Mods and Maintenance Sections for more details.

Hangar Talk Member Notice/Posting:
Subject: Elecric Gear Conversion
FAA Reg. A/C Name - = Alan Harrison, 7 Park Lane, Lancefield. Victoria. Aust. 3435, E-Mail = aharris@iaccess.com.au - Australian Civil Aviation Authority Reg Number - = VH ERL Serial Number - = 2983, M20C/Ranger etc.(180 Hp) Total Time= 3700, Special Comments= Has cowl closure,flap gap seals, aileron gap seals, empenage hinge covers, brake rotation and landing light cover mods. Approx Eng Time - = 1850 hrs Month of Insur - = October Comments 2 - = Site is great. Is there a mos kit available to fit an electric landing gear system to the M20C?

Forum Moderators: Alan, Thanks for your input in our Site.
Yes, in effect Mooney use to make a electric gear conversion kit but for all practical reasons they haven't sold one for some time as it contained the "old" style Dukes actuator which is now obsolete. A OEM new kit would have to have the current production Eaton 140Kt actuator and transmission and be expensive and something they would have to assemble with my guess being in the vincinity of $8-9K+/-. My best guess is for you to use "used" components which should be available here. We could provide a "kit" if you like, but would require a "firm" order to process same. My guess is that it would be in the $3-4K+/- range and take approx a week to install. Advise your thoughts,
Coy Jacob, Pres.

The Hangar Talk Moderators welcome all members to post Q&A's as well as relate your flying, "care & feeding" Mooney related comments on 180 hp Mooneys in this section. Beginning Fall of 1998 in this section is filling with interesting notices which you should check back and refer to often.
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